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 Post subject: signature apathy and e-merge woesPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:10 pm 
am i the only one who feels weird about e-merge now a days? at first it seemed like a good idea, but now it just feels really weird. I don't want a pack back stuffed with eisley things and their signatures on it. I don't want sherri art to come to me in the mail cos i got the most points. I like sherri art, don't get me wrong, but i like it for it's awesomeness, and i don't need it sent to me if i can see it online. Something just feels inherently wrong about this now, like the very soul of Eisley is missing in the whole e-merge scheme. It feels like Eisley has become a product, instead of what it really is,: awesome people playing awesome music. It feels wrong that Eisley HAS to sign 1000 copies of their CD and all these posters and book bags, all apart of some crazy gimmick to survive. Why can't they survive without all that? And why do i want a poster sent to me that was signed by Eisley anyway? I can understand walking up to the band with a poster and getting it signed, though i don't want that either. To me the signatures i have on my cell phone mean more than just signatures, they're memories. Jonathan's concern that it would get wiped off, and the fact that Stacy was the only one unphased by the concept she simply said "where do you want me to sign?" The signatures mean something, they reflect the personalities of the people because they're attached to something, not just because i scored some points and bought a poster. This is stupid, this post, i know, but i thought before i cashed in all my points and closed my e-merge account, i'd say my piece about e-merge, and how i don't like it, and also ask who else agrees with me? or at least doesn't hate me for saying all this. And don't get me wrong, i'll always spread the word of Eisley, that's not been a problem, i'm just gonna do it my way, grassroots, one person at a time. It doesn't reach as wide of an audience my way, even my radio show where i play weekly Eisley blocks, but i think at the end of the day it means a lot more to someone to hear "dude, check this cd out you might like it" than to get bombarded by e-mails and buddy icons. -Andrew "Granpa Turtle" Johnstone PS- as for what i'll do with my points, ii got like 1200, so i'll buy a few posters and toss one up in the station and the other two in clubs around DC maybe...or on campus...not sure.... PPS- i'll still vote on launch...cos i wanna see another live performance, and that would be really effective too advertising too... _________________ welcome to the no pants club boone |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:13 pm
I want a poster signed...sniff _________________ Chauntelle Rocks! |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:18 pm
breader wrote: I want a poster signed...sniff i'll sign your poster...i signed dan's set list so hey...whateva 
and besides, Eisley will be in a town near you in no time homey _________________ welcome to the no pants club boone |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:23 pm
yeah i agree, it is wierd...i think it's a great idea that their spreading eisleys great music, but I would do it for free(And do, and i think a lot of other people would/do also) but prizes make it better for some people so i guess...emerge isn't for everyone but i would like an eisley backpack, or iPod... _________________ chinese food makes me sick |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:24 pm
the thing is, andrew, if this moves other people to spread the eisley world then it's all worth it, right? i mean if you don't want a signed poster, ok, but maybe in order to get that signed poster that will mean a lot to some other fan he/she will complete the e-merge objectives. it's a win-win situation. i do agree with you, but i feel like it may only be our opinions. |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:31 pm
Besides, maybe the band likes doing that kind of thing. What's "bad" about it? Are they "selling out" in your eyes, or something? _________________ Eric (the Deacon remix) 
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Joined: 10 Jan 2005 | Posts: 63 | Location: San Antonio, TX
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:36 pm
i agree with the signature bit- for instance, my eisley poster that's signed by the band plus getting jonathan clark to forge jonathan wilson's signature is way more meaningful to me as a keepsake than something i'd get off the internet. and as far as e-merge in general, i think there are some people who will really run with that sort of thing, and others who won't. this is the only message board that i regularly post on, so i'm probably not the most effective e-team member or whatever, but i'm sure there are people who are all over the internet and can really get the word out. but at the same time, the whole word-of-mouth thing is probably the most effective. i know we're supposed to avoid politics, but i think this is a good analogy- i read an interview with michael badnarik, last year's libertarian presidential candidate, about the effectiveness of advertising for lesser-known candidates. what he said was something to the effect of "you can see 100 billboards for joe's diner while you're driving down the road, but if one of your friends comes up to you and says how they had a great dinner at joe's diner, you'd be much more likely to go." i think this holds true for music as well as politics. many of the music-related sites i visit regularly (pitchfork, buddyhead, etc...) have banner ads for various bands and albums, but i usually don't pay attention to them. but if one of my friends told me to check some new band that i hadn't heard of before, i would be much more likely to. so...hold on a second, i forget where i was going with this....oh yeah, you should tell your freinds about eisley. and if you don't have any friends, then go eat worms. the end. |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:43 pm
Deacon wrote: Besides, maybe the band likes doing that kind of thing. What's "bad" about it? Are they "selling out" in your eyes, or something? no not at all dude, i'm not like angry at the band or anything, and i don't think they've sold out, they're just doing what needs to be done to make enough money to eat, i know, but i wish there were another way... maybe they do like it, and if they do, that's fine, but it still feels hollow to me, and for once i gotta agree with Badnarik, billboards and signs are easy to ignore in our media heavy society. which really describes my love for eisley, its not a banner or a CD, it always feels like a significantly more personal relationship, just with the music and this message board. i don't know. i'm not going to deny that e-merge is effective, i'm sure it'll rangle in some great fans and help sell the records Eisley needs to sell...but for me...it just feels weird _________________ welcome to the no pants club boone |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:49 pm
E-merge was probably only started because Eisley has the sort of fanbase that could run with it. I like it because it's a place where everyone can get together to talk about and work on the promotion of Eisley with the internet. All I do on that site is skim the forums, do some of the front page stuff, and use the banners that people have made as well as the links to streaming Eisley. It can be whatever we want it to be. The merchandise is just an incentive. As far as promotion goes, there's probably no denying that E-merge is a useful project. |
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Joined: 22 Sep 2004 | Posts: 196 | Location: Redmond, WA, USA
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:52 pm
I guess it depends on how you look at it. Are they bribes in order to get you to promote Eisley? Or are they tokens of appreciation for all that you do for the band? I don't know that I totally agree with you, but it's hard for me to explain why. For the two years that I've been a member here, I've seen Eisley grow tremendously. This forum has 22 times as many members as when I signed up. And at shows these days (at least in Texas) the band is mobbed with fans making it hard for anybody to really talk to them or sometimes even approach them (I left the New Year's Eve show without saying hi because there were just too many people). It hasn't always been like that. So what about the fans who are finding it increasingly difficult to have any sort of access to the band? How do they get free posters and signed stuff and unique items? As as Eisley gets even bigger... it'll only become harder despite the band's level of commitment to fans. Many people feel the same as you about getting stuff signed... that signatures are best acquired in person because they're a reminder of an event. But not everybody feels the same way. Let them have their signed items sent in the mail. I "ordered" one with my points. And it'll go up along side the two posters I got signed in person. OK, I'm rambling I think. I'm not good at constructing well-written arguments. That's why I teach math I guess. _________________ "If you're a ninja, every day is like friday." -Jamie M. |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:58 pm
rmlawrence wrote: I'm not good at constructing well-written arguments. That's why I teach math I guess. That was pretty good, especially considering that you're a math teacher 
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:00 pm
I pretty mucn concur, Andrew. _________________ "The revolution starts today, not tomorrow." :: got g-Love? |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:02 pm
i like your point rob, i spose they are getting too big for everyone to get personal contact...BAH! well... everyone else have fun. i guess we're all just different, and we all gotta do our thing our own way _________________ welcome to the no pants club boone |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:23 pm
i see what you mean and i feel somewhat the same...sometimes emerge doesn't seem like it's showing people the 'real' eisley, or however you wish to phrase it. but perhaps we feel that way because we're used to such a huge level of personal commitment from the amazing duprees... i mean, boyd and kim are always around here answering questions and being real with us, and the band is around too and they have xangas so you sort of see them as more acessible people, and then emerge comes along and it makes them seem rather distant. now, we all know that they AREN'T, but at the same time... emerge just makes it more and more clear that they aren't our beautiful little indie secret band anymore. they're all grown up, and signing backpacks and whatnot. these incentives are going to be GREAT for some fans, but for others it's like, 'why would i want that? i'd rather just talk to them or enjoy their incredible musical fusion" so it goes both ways. but the real issue is that a band like Eisley can never, ever be summed up in a buddy icon or a catchy slogan or a banner you post on a message board... they're much bigger and better than that and people will have to get that for themselves, in their own way. 
hopefully you can catch what i'm saying. _________________ Saellys wrote: Thank God for Arielle  all your kind, they're coming clean they shut their eyes their mess, their scene |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:26 pm
I completely agree with you. It may be slightly obvious that I am not using it, and that I have only the points that I got for joining it. There are things that I have that are worth more than all that crap. I have an EP signed by boyd, and a new years noise maker signed by everyone including collin. I have a green happy new year hat signed by the band. You cant buy that stuff. You cant buy the look sherri gave me when I brought her that noise maker, to get her to sign it. Its all just good memories that I will have forever. No amount of points accumilated, by sending people emails that they really dont want, could have ever gotten me them. Signatures are fun and all but I just dont like the idea of getting them without just asking for them from the band. I thought it was a good plan at first, but it just seems waaay too sellout/corperate. I am getting the word out about eisley the sameway I always did. I am just telling my friends that I think would be into the band about them, or letting them have a CD with a few of the songs that are posted on the internet free. I thought about making a post just like this one when it first came out, but I felt like I was the only one that felt like this and that I am crazy. _________________ 
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