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 Post subject: New York Sin-E show. *EISLEY/BOYD/KIM PLEASE READ THIS*Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 7:38 am 
Okay people, we need to get this show to be all ages. They already moved it down to 18+[says the site], although the ticket thing still says it's 21+. But I mean, come on, if it's going to be 18 + why not do all ages? Why not let a person who is only 14 months away from being 18 [and really wants to hear Stacy sing Marvelous Things, and...everything else they play] in if there isn't going to be any drinking anyway? What...are they going to have a voting booth, because I hate to break it to you, but it's a little late. Arnold already won, amazingly enough. Annnnnnnnnyway. This is like..the only New England show, and I'm sure there are pleanty of fans under 18 who really want to see you guys. I mean...Stacy is younger than me, and Weston is only a little older. YES, they ARE in the band..but still. Come on, you guys must have some authority to be able to make this happen. AND it's perfect, because it's on a weekend, so I actually CAN go. Comeone everyone, CD's and online EP's are great...but the real goodies are live shows. You guys know there is nothing like it...don't deny us this, pleaaaaase! 
[and you should come to Toad's Place in New Haven, Connecticut. It's a really good club, and you guys would be good there. It's right next to Yale. I'm sure they'd have an opening too.] |
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Joined: 04 Nov 2003 | Posts: 10 | Location: Connecticut
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 8:45 am
Alcohol rules and fuels the small club music scene. I know its sad, but its true. Its almost impossible to pay rent/insurance/maintnence/wages if the only money you are getting is from 150 people that show up to a show at your club at $10 a ticket, or even $20 a ticket. The only way to really break even is to put 4 or 5 $4 beers in each persons hand throughout the course of the night. Its a HUGE loss to a small club to have people at the shows who aren't paying for overpriced drinks. The 21+ rule ensures that every inch of the club is occupied by a possible buyer of an item that they need to sell in order to pay their electric bill next month. It sucks big time, and i dont have enough fingers or toes to count the ammount of shows ive missed by bands that i absolutly love because of capitalisim in the small club scene. But then again, how do you expect Eisley to headlining Radio City Music Hall on their next tour (  ) if they cant get a buzz or a reputation in the smaller clubs first?
FWIW, the show probably got changed to 18+ since they realized that a high drinker turnout wasnt very probable, but it probably wont go all ages unless they ARENT expecting a sellout, even with the kids. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you all though, it sucks getting shut out of shows, and i'd be flaming if it happened to be Eisley i was getting shut out of, but it may all end up for the better in the long run, in some wonderfully unexpected way (coming from experience). My advice would be to show up anyway, if it wont take a huge effort to do so. If the show is empty, they might "forget" to check IDs just to make sure they get some money from admissions. _________________ I can't find an icon 
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Joined: 09 Jun 2003 | Posts: 271 | Location: Phoenix, AZ -> Flagstaff, AZ -> Limerick, Ireland (soon)
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 8:56 am
Yeah, I get the whole profits thing...but what I'm saying is that if they already made it 18+ then they might as well let younger ones in, since they aren't making money off alcohol anyway, why not increase their profits by letting us buy more TICKETS. I mean...if they want to lose money and dissapoint people, then sure, refuse it. But it makes more sense if it's already at 18 to lower it to all ages. Profit-wise, it makes sense. And, about the whole showing up anyway, I was pretty much going to do that anyway *grins*..but I'd really like to ensure my ability to get in anyway. And it is kind of inconvenient, since I live two hours away. But really, I don't have anything better to do than try to get into an Eisley gig, i mean, seriously. |
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Joined: 04 Nov 2003 | Posts: 10 | Location: Connecticut
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 9:05 am
Zeek wrote: Yeah, I get the whole profits thing...but what I'm saying is that if they already made it 18+ then they might as well let younger ones in, since they aren't making money off alcohol anyway, why not increase their profits by letting us buy more TICKETS. I mean...if they want to lose money and dissapoint people, then sure, refuse it. But it makes more sense if it's already at 18 to lower it to all ages. Profit-wise, it makes sense.
And, about the whole showing up anyway, I was pretty much going to do that anyway *grins*..but I'd really like to ensure my ability to get in anyway. And it is kind of inconvenient, since I live two hours away. But really, I don't have anything better to do than try to get into an Eisley gig, i mean, seriously. If they make an all ages show, they'll have red tape to get through in order sell alcohol. The show is aimed to draw in an older crowd for Eisley, and so that Sin-e can turn a nice profit. It really is a big step to go from "Ok, we're catering to adults." to "If your 5 year old brother want's to come, bring him." It's a much bigger step than lowering from 21+ to 18+. Legal issues get involved, more-so, if you try to lower it any further. _________________ 
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 9:10 am
tmdrums17 wrote: Alcohol rules and fuels the small club music scene. I know its sad, but its true. Its almost impossible to pay rent/insurance/maintnence/wages if the only money you are getting is from 150 people that show up to a show at your club at $10 a ticket, or even $20 a ticket. you are so right. Clubs should think of it as an investment. Get <18-21 people there and get them hooked on the scene then they always come back and you got a regular customer. But i guess its hard to see the long term benefit when rent is due in two weeks :/ _________________ "Religions have started on lesser revelations" - investor on MarketWatch.com |
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Joined: 01 Jul 2003 | Posts: 4403 | Location: Dallas
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 9:10 am
how great would it be to see Eisley's final show in NY? how much would it suck if i can't go b/c i'm ONLY 17? Eisley, Eisley's tour manager, and everyone else who remembers what it was like to be 17 --> please make the Sin-e show ALL AGES. if not I will just be forced to make a fake ID or find an elaborate excuse of why i need to fly to utah (neither of which i am likely to be successful in). Leaving the show at 18+ will only incite identity fraud and prevent Eisley's New England fans from being able to see them live. but of course lowering it to all ages will reduce the probability of any criminal activity and give the band a chance to play for kids that are their own age. |
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 9:12 am
BK wrote: If they make an all ages show, they'll have red tape to get through in order sell alcohol. The show is aimed to draw in an older crowd for Eisley, and so that Sin-e can turn a nice profit. It really is a big step to go from "Ok, we're catering to adults." to "If your 5 year old brother want's to come, bring him." It's a much bigger step than lowering from 21+ to 18+. Legal issues get involved, more-so, if you try to lower it any further. It's no less illegal to sell alcohol to a 16 year old than it is to sell to an 18 year old. You can lose your license for either of them. Obviously there isn't going to be hordes of 12 year olds showing up to a BAR, but if a few 17 year old fans want to go, they should probably be able to. I just think it would be smarter to do it that way. Not to mention they're going to make money off of soda and other drinks..just like alcohol. And they will be just as overpriced, I'm sure. _________________ Carpe PM *Mac User* |
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Joined: 04 Nov 2003 | Posts: 10 | Location: Connecticut
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 9:29 am
Zeek wrote: It's no less illegal to sell alcohol to a 16 year old than it is to sell to an 18 year old. You can lose your license for either of them. Obviously there isn't going to be hordes of 12 year olds showing up to a BAR, but if a few 17 year old fans want to go, they should probably be able to. I just think it would be smarter to do it that way. Not to mention they're going to make money off of soda and other drinks..just like alcohol. And they will be just as overpriced, I'm sure. You're right, it is just as illegal; but like I said, there's more red tape to cut through. There's more that the club/venue CAN do when everyone that's attending is a legal adult than if minors are being allowed in. It's also possible that this show was set up to draw in an older crowd, and by allowing in people under a certain age (no matter how close to being that age you are) it might discourage some people from going at all. As for this encouraging/promoting fake id's: Eisley never suggested, never would suggest it, frowns on it; and if you decide to do it, that's your own stupidity (expecially if you get caught). _________________
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Joined: 31 Mar 2003 | Posts: 1900 | Location: Around
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 9:38 am
BK wrote: You're right, it is just as illegal; but like I said, there's more red tape to cut through. There's more that the club/venue CAN do when everyone that's attending is a legal adult than if minors are being allowed in. It's also possible that this show was set up to draw in an older crowd, and by allowing in people under a certain age (no matter how close to being that age you are) it might discourage some people from going at all. As for this encouraging/promoting fake id's: Eisley never suggested, never would suggest it, frowns on it; and if you decide to do it, that's your own stupidity (expecially if you get caught). That's true, I guess. If I saw that a show or something was going to be open to 6 year olds, then I suppose I might not want to go as much. As much being the key words, I would still go of course. But still though, I doubt you would lose profits rather than gaining them, but attracting more young people. If the older ones wanted to go in the first place, adding a few more people they probably won't see or come in contact with will most likely not effect their desire to go. And I never said anything about fake ID's, and Eisley obviously doesn't support them. I said I was planning to show up, and see if I could get in anyway, if htey had a random act of kindness or something of the sort. And if not, I could still stand outside and hear a bit, possibly. Nothing about fake identification. _________________ Carpe PM *Mac User* |
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Joined: 04 Nov 2003 | Posts: 10 | Location: Connecticut
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 9:45 am
Zeek wrote: And I never said anything about fake ID's, and Eisley obviously doesn't support them. I said I was planning to show up, and see if I could get in anyway, if htey had a random act of kindness or something of the sort. And if not, I could still stand outside and hear a bit, possibly. Nothing about fake identification. _________________
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 9:52 am
BK wrote: Zeek wrote: And I never said anything about fake ID's, and Eisley obviously doesn't support them. I said I was planning to show up, and see if I could get in anyway, if htey had a random act of kindness or something of the sort. And if not, I could still stand outside and hear a bit, possibly. Nothing about fake identification. I'm preeeeeetty sure that darknight was kidding...seeing as how they identified it as criminal activity themselves...but yeah. Sarcasm. whatever. yes...random acts of kindness are always amazing. Especially when it allows you to get into an eisley show.  _________________ Carpe PM *Mac User* |
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 11:06 am
Pity you guys don't have the same laws as us all the way over here in Oz....18 is the legal age here _________________ 
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 12:19 pm
I am 99% sure that this is entirely out of Eisley's hands. It is the venue's decision entirely, unless it is contractually otherwise (which I have a hard time believing any venue would sign such a contract). Yes, selling alcohol to a minor is illegal. So is selling alcohol to 18 - 20 year olds. However, I imagine it's a much bigger deal, in terms of legal punishment, to be caught selling alcohol to a minor versus an adult. That being said, it is really stupid. I mean, at 18 one is legally an adult, however they cannot drink until they are 21 (well, in most states). You can go freaking DIE for your country, but you cannot be trusted with an alcoholic drink. It's stupid, and totally not fair, I agree. I've been to a bar show in Cleveland that was all ages, but what they did was charge an extra 2 or 3 bucks for all those under 21. This seems like a reasonable alternative, however it was a small bar. I can understand a larger venue not wanting to allow the possibility of a potentially large number of underage people obtaining alcohol. Anyway, the point is that there is really nothing Eisley or even their management can do about this. I'm sorry. _________________ "The revolution starts today, not tomorrow." :: got g-Love? |
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