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 Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 5:04 pm 
a half-assed, slapdash review by some ignorant, pompous reviewer shouldn't be paid any mind. though, it's hard to avoid frustration when you deal with people like her. anyway, she's probably some up-and-coming journalist who's desperate for attention so she writes the as snobby as possible so she can gain favor with her equally assanine peers....or not. either way, it shouldn't matter. ben folds NEVER gets good reviews in these corproate magazines and nearly everyone i've played him for, including thousands of other fans absolutely love him. rolling stone has a few decent journalists amongst the crew, but on a whole, it's a terrible magazine. anyway, since when does rolling stone make or break a band's career? Eisley will do just fine. p.s. - everyone here is a Grade A person _________________ My epitaph, should I ever need one, God forbid: 'The only proof he ever needed of the existence of God was music.' -Kurt Vonnegut "...dance when you forget to wear pants..." -Seanbaby |
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Joined: 02 Nov 2003 | Posts: 194 | Location: on the corner at the end of the block...
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 8:34 pm
David Frick is one of the old school editors at RS. I heard he actually covered The Beatles... He's the guy that saw Eisley at SXSW and loved them. dern. Wish he could have reviewed the ep. See how it sucks? We don't know for sure he would have had a positive review, but...maybe he would have. So it gets weird. You trust others to write reviews that are in keeping with the values and ideals of Rolling Stone. But they don't do their homework and they roll over Radiohead's "Creep"... or Eisley's ep. Sure, it's a creative lisense, but it's also bad work. Sure, we are thinking this way, but...I think we're fairly objective. What if Eisley was so inconsistent? Like, what if Jon would just randomly swear from stage...or make eyes at women or...growl like a coyote...or what if Weston just randomly told people he couldn't stand them or just suddenly suck? If the rest of the band disagreed, what kind of inconsistency problem would Eisley have? This is all about branding. Continuity... consistent behavior and core ideologies....values. If you say one thing and are another, it always finds you out. RS has a branding problem. I'm not joking. I've studied this in business. Just look at their front page covers: Christine and Brittany nude. But in many articles, you'll find them slamming at least one of these girls. You can't be all things to all people. You have to believe in something and live it. If you don't, people will turn on you...begin to distrust you. Customer loyalty will drop off. Businesses are just like people. People can have branding/image problems. But this is the subject for a book...not a paragraph. _________________ EisleyWebGuy "The industrialists never saw the fruit of their own labor - Post Moderism, which I now proclaim as dead. Their forefathers digital revolutionists, have accelerated the final resolve by punctuating an end to our chaotic journey with a new manifesto and a new era: The Age of Meaning." (manifesto's sold separate) Welcome: Illuminists |
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Joined: 04 Nov 2002 | Posts: 5180 | Location: Tyler, Texas
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 10:48 pm
Bah. Blender's better anyway. _________________ 
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Joined: 30 Dec 2003 | Posts: 1 | Location: Joplin, Missouri
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 5:44 am
ooh flcl, welcome to the board  go say hi in the newbie thread! _________________ hello. |
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Joined: 23 Aug 2003 | Posts: 5978 | Location: Austin, Texas
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 7:09 am
i saw that david frick guy at like every other SXSW show i was at........i recognized him from the Wilco documentary mostly oh and he reviewed the new explosions in the sky album this month.......actually it looks like he doesn't even really review music any more he just kind of makes recommendations about more obscure bands out there...........i could be wrong though, i don't read the magazine very often _________________ "Without music, life would be a mistake." -Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Joined: 20 Jul 2003 | Posts: 658 | Location: Austin, tx
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 8:58 am
once again your words are insightful boyd rolling stone has been in a downward spiral for quite some time thank you for expressing it so eloquently lovealways, kyle _________________ "Daddy please hear this song that I sing In your heart there's a spark that just screams For a lover to bring a child to your chest that could lay as you sleep And love all you have left like your boy used to be Long ago wrapped in sheets warm and wet" --neutral milk hotel |
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Joined: 28 Dec 2003 | Posts: 317 | Location: boulder, co
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 2:39 pm
Boyd, I definitely agree with what you said about Rolling Stone's conflicting ideologies. Like you mentioned, they put a pretty much naked Britney Spears on their cover, undoubtedly to boost sales. But if you read the feature story on her in the magazine, they are obviously out to get her. They spin her quotes, her rumors and the whole article in a way that is almost mocking of her. (Honestly, I loved that part of it...) You mentioned Filter - which is good - although their writing can be a bit abstruse, but I would recommend Paste Magazine. It's not at all geared to the young market like Rolling Stone. And in a way, their situation is much like Eisley's. The two guys who run it are Christians, however, the magazine is not a Christian or evangelical magazine. Example: An outspoken homosexual was on their last cover - Rufus Wainwright. Their vision is to highlight "Signs of Life in Popular Culture" (which Rufus definitely qualifes as...) Oh, and I know they are planning/wanting to do a feature on Eisley when the full-length hits... www.pastemagazine.com Palmer |
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Joined: 12 Jun 2003 | Posts: 23 | Location: MS
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 3:03 pm
Just go to www.allmusic.com Best music site ever. _________________ http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=KevinNaaaaaa |
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Joined: 24 Dec 2003 | Posts: 1350 | Location: Los Angeles
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 3:53 pm
what are you talking about? ever since the bends was released everyone in the world has done nothing but treat radiohead's every utterance like pure genius when it would be purely dismissed if it were anyone else. Kimbrtones wrote: Truth is, good and bad will come. As long as people like EISLEY, and buy it, it doesn't matter what "reviewers" have to say. Look at the battle Radiohead went through. Even COLDPLAY had their battles to overcome. It's just part of it. Unfortunate, but part of it. |
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Joined: 06 Nov 2003 | Posts: 17 | Location: city of angels
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 3:57 pm
Did Coldplay have to go through any battles? Weren't they media darlings from the start? Radiohead were right after The Bends. _________________ http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=KevinNaaaaaa |
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Joined: 24 Dec 2003 | Posts: 1350 | Location: Los Angeles
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 3:58 pm
a lot of folks were making fun of coldplay at the beginning for being whimps, and goody-goodys and such. _________________ hello. |
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Joined: 23 Aug 2003 | Posts: 5978 | Location: Austin, Texas
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 3:59 pm
Well the 2nd albums are really the ones that make or break a band. _________________ http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=KevinNaaaaaa |
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Joined: 24 Dec 2003 | Posts: 1350 | Location: Los Angeles
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 5:43 pm
I feel a little better now after reading Blender's official report on Radiohead's (discography) ratings. This is a full page article that rips "All Hail to the Theif" to shreads along with the band. I somehow missed this sad, sad review. It was in the issue just before Blender named Eisley as "next big thing" with Radiohead on the COVER. Go figure. Pablo Honey - 2 stars. The Bends - 5 stars. Ok Computer - 5 stars. Kid A - 3 " Amnesiac - 4 " Live record - 3 " All HttT - 3 " "Complaining that Radiohead sounds miserable is like Complaining that Britney Spears sounds tacky"...(futher describes the record as:) "unappealing, resigned, defeated, glum, passive...an hour long sigh"; describes the record as: "87% alienation and 13% swagger"; (says the record is:) "confusing, offering nothing in the way of chorus, nothing approaching a hook, nothing graciously pleasing....songs are vague and half finished..." "Yorks alien voice drawls and croons, often wordlessly, as though he has given up on language".... (and) "...whinning, tuneless, agonizingly slow...so depressing you can't imagine anyone wanting to hear it twice." James Slaughter Do I need to go on? (Right.) So, I feel better. It makes me not take journalists to seriously; just spoke with Dave Holmes about it all - he basically said the same thing - "i learned not to take journalists to seriously a long time ago...and, it's just an ep...and it's so early....don't let it get you guys down"...etc. Just thought I'd pass that on. Still...I'm a little troubled because so much of their rhetoric wasn't about the music. It was an attack on the "brand"... the image. Tarnished images are harder to repair. It just puts more pressure on the first record. Like So Cal Oasis said...the second is just as important if not more. Honest? - No worries. I'm over it. _________________ EisleyWebGuy "The industrialists never saw the fruit of their own labor - Post Moderism, which I now proclaim as dead. Their forefathers digital revolutionists, have accelerated the final resolve by punctuating an end to our chaotic journey with a new manifesto and a new era: The Age of Meaning." (manifesto's sold separate) Welcome: Illuminists |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 6:00 pm
boyd wrote: It makes me not take journalists too seriously; just spoke with Dave Holmes about it all - he basically said the same thing - "i learned not to take journalists toseriously a long time ago. I think I need to change jobs...  _________________ "It's the new golden fact." |
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Joined: 04 Nov 2003 | Posts: 1000 | Location: Camp Anawanna
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 6:01 pm
Yea, it did seem like an attack on the band. Totally crappy review. _________________ Hello my name is CHRIS and... |
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Joined: 19 Nov 2002 | Posts: 930 | Location: texas
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