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I'm not into politics. I'm into dictatorship. But if I had to vote for one of those parties it would have to be Kerry. |
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Post subject: ... Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 5:41 am
kerry please. tomatoes please. _________________ Four more wars. 
The seed haunted by the sun never fails to find its way between the stones in the ground. |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 5:46 am
gRegor wrote: Did you guys get/read the press release how they were going to be among the protestors in NYC? It's great. I particularly liked "If you ask for permission to protest, you deserve to be told no," says Manhattan Libertarian Party chair Jim Lesczynski. "The First Amendment guarantees our right to peaceably assemble -- and we're going to do so" i like that. i think alot of that thinking is a result of the fact that most of these protestors are all about hating bush just to be fashionable, not to affect any sort of positive change (and i think supporting kerry just because he's not bush is one of the most idiotic, asinine things possible) at the end of the day, supporting third-party candidates is like a long-term investment. sure, i realize that badnarik has virtually no chance to win, but the more votes he gets, the more media attention he gets, and the more people get turned on to his cause. and not just for the libertarians, but for the greens and socialists and whoever. to think that all americans fall under one strict set of either "democratic" or "republican" beliefs is absurd. people who compromise their vote by voting for a major party candidate when they more readily identify with a third-party candidate is a true waste of a vote, NOT the other way around. |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:23 am
the bush administration is the biggest threat to world peace. please, please, please vote KERRY! look at how $#@! the world is. it's so, like, obvious! |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:23 am
ryan fisher wrote: (and i think supporting kerry just because he's not bush is one of the most idiotic, asinine things possible) thank you. kerry is a joke. even if you hate bush with all your heart mind and soul how can you not see that? _________________ If you wanna go on a picnic, I'll bring the watermelon. |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:29 am
manchilds wrote: ryan fisher wrote: (and i think supporting kerry just because he's not bush is one of the most idiotic, asinine things possible) thank you. kerry is a joke. even if you hate bush with all your heart mind and soul how can you not see that? my thoughts too. i could never vote for a man who's whole platform is strictly anti-bush. hes not going to do anything better, and he knows it, so he just keeps his mouth shut about policies and takes it out on Bush. ARNOLD 08!!! LETS GET HIM IN!!! |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:52 am
markymark106 wrote: manchilds wrote: ryan fisher wrote: (and i think supporting kerry just because he's not bush is one of the most idiotic, asinine things possible) thank you. kerry is a joke. even if you hate bush with all your heart mind and soul how can you not see that? my thoughts too. i could never vote for a man who's whole platform is strictly anti-bush. hes not going to do anything better, and he knows it, so he just keeps his mouth shut about policies and takes it out on Bush. of course he does. it's his fault. haven't you seen farenheit 9/11? do you want that idiotic [censor] to continue? your life may be better under bush, but his actions are making the world a more dangerous place. there will always be terrorists or militant groups, and a majority of those are anti-west. they need examples of how 'bad' and 'evil' the west is. bush gives it to them gift-wrapped. BUSHISMS. read it. there are probably primary school kids with a better grasp of english. his brain can't be all that either. sure, their are people who jump on the band-wagon saying 'boo to bush!' it's just the same as people suddenly hating certain bands because it's fashionable. america is a very patriotic nation so war will always be reasonably popular. but (this is such a cliche) all war is bad! under no circumstances is it a good idea or a way to solve a problem. so the war is used as propaganda for terrorist groups, they bolster there numbers. more foolish people to do what the leaders say. the middle-east is a very dangerous place as it is so we didn't an incredibly stupid redneck jumping in. i couldn't care less if kerry hasn't made his policies that obvious, surely he can't do a worse job. plus it'd be better for us brits with blair being our prime minister. it's like howard and blair being best pals. bush and blair's beliefs are totally opposite so how can they get on? republicans are not very likely to change there minds about who to vote for no matter how bad bush does. whereas democrats would. vote for kerry just to get bush out of office. so if you vote for another person i think it'll be a waste and god knows how bad the world'll be after another 4 years of bush. in my opinion |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:00 am
Are you basing your opinions on Farenheit 911? Gosh... |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:02 am
don't base your facts on farenheit 911. moore could probably make ANYONE look bad if he made a video on them. i agree with you on the terrorism thing. more and more countries are hating us for what we're doing. i like kerry's plan to resume diplomacy with other countries and the UN. i guess it is a little ignorant to say "i'm voting for kerry because i hate bush" but i guess that's better than not voting at all. you vote for someone who benifits you. maybe it'll help your education, your health plan, or it'll help you by getting someone you don't like out of office. at least it's something kerry has a lot of ideas and polocies and plans. check out his websites. |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:06 am
Hwin wrote: Are you basing your opinions on Farenheit 911? Gosh... nope. hence, using...my...own...brain. there were some ridiculous scenes in f9/11 (iraq before...iraq after). but in what way is moore making him look bad? it's not as if he using computer graphics of trick photography. surely if it wasn't true they'd sue him? 
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:11 am
lifeisforliving wrote: there were some ridiculous scenes in f9/11 (iraq before...iraq after). in what way is moore making him look bad? surely if it wasn't true they sue him? ok that's good. it just seemed like you were since it was right in the beginning of your post well it certainly didn't make him look good, lol. maybe i should say instead that it stirred up negative controvercy on him and he had every right to bash him. 1st amendment |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:52 am
lifeisforliving wrote: of course he does. it's his fault. haven't you seen farenheit 9/11? do you want that idiotic f**ktard to continue? your life may be better under bush, but his actions are making the world a more dangerous place.
there will always be terrorists or militant groups, and a majority of those are anti-west. they need examples of how 'bad' and 'evil' the west is. bush gives it to them gift-wrapped. BUSHISMS. read it. there are probably primary school kids with a better grasp of english. his brain can't be all that either. sure, their are people who jump on the band-wagon saying 'boo to bush!' it's just the same as people suddenly hating certain bands because it's fashionable. america is a very patriotic nation so war will always be reasonably popular. but (this is such a cliche) all war is bad! under no circumstances is it a good idea or a way to solve a problem. so the war is used as propaganda for terrorist groups, they bolster there numbers. more foolish people to do what the leaders say. the middle-east is a very dangerous place as it is so we didn't an incredibly stupid redneck jumping in. i couldn't care less if kerry hasn't made his policies that obvious, surely he can't do a worse job. plus it'd be better for us brits with blair being our prime minister. it's like howard and blair being best pals. bush and blair's beliefs are totally opposite so how can they get on? republicans are not very likely to change there minds about who to vote for no matter how bad bush does. whereas democrats would. vote for kerry just to get bush out of office. so if you vote for another person i think it'll be a waste and god knows how bad the world'll be after another 4 years of bush. in my opinion a couple of things: michael moore obviously had an agenda in making f911. of course, bush & co. have their own agenda as well in what they present to the public. it's obvious that neither is entirely accurate, so solely using a movie to justify your opinions is very shortsighted additionally, bush may not be the greatest public speaker, but that doesn't mean he's a [censor], as you so eloquently put it. bush got a bachelor's from yale and a master's from harvard. i think he's proven himself to not be an "incredibly stupid redneck" lastly, if you think republicans always vote along the party lines, but democrats are a bunch of benevolent, fearless leaders who will go against their party leadership to make a stand for the little guy, you're sadly mistaken. both parties are just as guilty also, don't consider this as me saying "bush is great!" it's obvious he's not. but name-calling and hopelessly biased viewpoints aren't going to win you any arguments. |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:54 am
I think it's completely uninformed of people to say Kerry's entire campaign is "anti-bush". He has to make comparisons to the current administration to illustrate what he is trying to change. If he ever takes the president down a notch personally I call that passion for his beliefs and I welcome it. I also call it media exaggeration. The truth is that his campaign has been about more than Bush, but all the news and media wants to talk about or show is that stuff. Do you believe that celebrity lives are just the 15 minutes out of 6 months that you see on television? Do some research I say, if you still want to be against Kerry based on actual political ideas, then fine. I was just talking with a friend the other day about this, we have never actually met a Bush supporter that is our age... on the internet we see a few, but I was genuinely surprised to find so many on this forum. It's one of those things that I just can't figure out yet, maybe it's the large number of Texas members on the board? I don't know. Whether it's the economy, education, foreign relations, or "the war" I can't think of one single thing that Bush (his administration) has done right or handled right. I for one have not been scared of terrorists, although since this war started and terrorism increased... maybe I'm scared for my future children's ability to deal with it... that's why I'm voting for Kerry. My ability to raise children in this country, to finish school, to ever think about owning a home or having a decent job with some vague hope for a retirement plan. His plans are sound, his motives seem right, his record has been very respectable, and he's a much more qualified leader than the guy we have in office. Kerry gives the impression that he is an actual leader, while Bush always seemed like a decorative figurehead. That's about all I'm going to say concerning politics, I have too many discussions in real life to try to get into more online... I just thought I'd state my views on it though. Kerry gets my vote (for what it's worth I thought that Clark was the best choice for president we've ever had, he was almost over-qualified to be president of this country). |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:07 am
a couple of things: michael moore obviously had an agenda in making f911. of course, bush & co. have their own agenda as well in what they present to the public. it's obvious that neither is entirely accurate, so solely using a movie to justify your opinions is very shortsighted. see, and preferably read, above.
additionally, bush may not be the greatest public speaker, but that doesn't mean he's a f**ktard, as you so eloquently put it. bush got a bachelor's from yale and a master's from harvard. i think he's proven himself to not be an "incredibly stupid redneck" mmm. i wonder how he got those. i'm sure if you got a group of people with the same qualifications whose ignorance and stupidity would stand out. or maybe he just a bit shy when faced with big crowds. lastly, if you think republicans always vote along the party lines, but democrats are a bunch of benevolent, fearless leaders who will go against their party leadership to make a stand for the little guy, you're sadly mistaken. both parties are just as guilty. democrats are more liberal (like in england), therefore more likely to change to a different party (not republicans). i know you need one to have the other but i really don't see the point of voting for the right-wing or the left-wing. surely they're just as bad. republicans are in the middle FYI. a la labour in england. also, don't consider this as me saying "bush is great!" it's obvious he's not. but name-calling and hopelessly biased viewpoints aren't going to win you any arguments. nothing's wrong with a bit of name-calling, we all do it, including bush. they aren't biased. i'm not american. i have nothing to do with kerry or the democrats, so in what way am i biased. 'win'? ...so childish.[/b]
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:28 am
hello.. i just got back from the future... Eisley goes triple platinum in 12 contries. Oh and Kerry kicks Bush's ass. so long. _________________ chew on this. http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=chew_on_this&Player=wm&s peed=_med http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=mym2002&Player=wm&speed= _med oh my. |
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