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Joined: 20 Feb 2005 | Posts: 8868 | Location: Saturn, the Bringer of Old Age
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Hmm.. I think I'm going to go with a talent just because even when I was in kindergarten my teachers would tell my parents that I painted really well for my age. While I have improved a lot through practice, I also think it came to me naturally in a sense. |
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Joined: 30 Aug 2007 | Posts: 431 | Location: Tex-Ass
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I'm going to say skill. _________________ Power is only pain It’s probably better to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in. "Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self preservation?" -memo from 1952 Project ARTICHOKE |
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Joined: 19 Aug 2004 | Posts: 10565 | Location: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere
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Joined: 14 Jun 2005 | Posts: 1190 | Location: San Jose, California
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me, having no previous photography skill whatsoever, was one of the top people in my photography class because of my talent and my talent alone. i still suck at the correct shutter speed and aperture combinations, i just go by what my light meter tells me. _________________ "theres so much beauty it could make you cry" -Modest Mouse |
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Joined: 10 Mar 2005 | Posts: 2042 | Location: Chicago, IL
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4th Month of the Year wrote: I think some people are naturally better at things than others and the more they're exposed to it, the more it shows. If that makes any sense at all. I think I am pretty much in agreement with this one. _________________ My photography:www.jamiemphoto.com You can't spell awesome without emo...backwards! -Julie definingawesome (11:44:11 PM): Eisley shivers our timbers |
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Joined: 15 Aug 2003 | Posts: 25184 | Location: East Texas
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Joined: 01 Nov 2003 | Posts: 8260 | Location: new hampshire
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I'll try to speak for us skillers. Let's say that when you were three you could play the main riff in Smoke On The Water. That's talent. But if you try to impress people with that when you're twenty-three it falls flat, because you have to develop that talent. Eddie Van Halen is a very talented guitarist. BUT he sat on the edge of his bed practicing for hours at a time to get to the point where he was excellent. _________________ Power is only pain It’s probably better to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in. "Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self preservation?" -memo from 1952 Project ARTICHOKE |
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Joined: 19 Aug 2004 | Posts: 10565 | Location: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere
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Pantheon4 wrote: I'll try to speak for us skillers.
Let's say that when you were three you could play the main riff in Smoke On The Water. That's talent. But if you try to impress people with that when you're twenty-three it falls flat, because you have to develop that talent. Eddie Van Halen is a very talented guitarist. BUT he sat on the edge of his bed practicing for hours at a time to get to the point where he was excellent. Well people can have a talent for working hard and perseverance. _________________ Boyd wrote: That's not rock and roll... that's just gross. |
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Joined: 14 Jun 2005 | Posts: 1190 | Location: San Jose, California
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I think that when it comes to playing instruments and acting then yes it's a skill because quite honestly anyone can learn to do that well through practice. However, do any of you honestly think that, just by practicing, you could draw like this? I know I'm probably never going to be able to draw that well no matter how much I practice. So I say drawing/painting is a talent but things like playing musical instruments and acting are more of a skill. /opinion EDIT: when I said "anyone can learn to do that well" in regards to musicianship I wasn't referring to composing music, just playing it. Composition is a talent as well in my opinion. |
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Joined: 30 Aug 2007 | Posts: 431 | Location: Tex-Ass
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Unless you have some modicum of natural talent, all the skill in the world won't help you be an artist. You can study painting, or sculpture, or music, until your eyes fall out and you still won't be van Gogh, Rodin, or Beethoven unless you've got that spark in you. It doesn't have to be the kind of innate, immediate talent that lets you play "Smoke On the Water" when you're three, but there has to be something there to build on. _________________ INTELLECT AND ROMANCE OVER BRUTE FORCE AND CYNICISM Smokemonster |
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Joined: 24 Sep 2003 | Posts: 14510 | Location: Alone on an airplane, fallin' asleep against the windowpane...
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Joined: 17 Dec 2005 | Posts: 7525 | Location: Wisconsin
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Saellys wrote: Unless you have some modicum of natural talent, all the skill in the world won't help you be an artist. You can study painting, or sculpture, or music, until your eyes fall out and you still won't be van Gogh, Rodin, or Beethoven unless you've got that spark in you. It doesn't have to be the kind of innate, immediate talent that lets you play "Smoke On the Water" when you're three, but there has to be something there to build on. I concur. _________________ |
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Joined: 21 May 2005 | Posts: 5051 | Location: TX/NYC
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Saellys wrote: Unless you have some modicum of natural talent, all the skill in the world won't help you be an artist. You can study painting, or sculpture, or music, until your eyes fall out and you still won't be van Gogh, Rodin, or Beethoven unless you've got that spark in you. It doesn't have to be the kind of innate, immediate talent that lets you play "Smoke On the Water" when you're three, but there has to be something there to build on. I think we are saying the same thing in different ways. You have to have some talent, but it will probably sit stagnant if you don't put forth an effort. I'm not saying that there aren't wunderkinder, but most artists have to work. _________________ Power is only pain It’s probably better to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in. "Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self preservation?" -memo from 1952 Project ARTICHOKE |
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Joined: 19 Aug 2004 | Posts: 10565 | Location: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere
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A person is born with a natural ability or talent and then they hone that talent by becoming skilled in their craft through practice. Some talents are realized later in life after one has taken lessons or classes, while some talents are so advanced that a person doesn't even have to practice much or be skilled that area to succeed in that talent. There are also those who try to learn certain techniques and they end up not progressing much at all in the arts. People aren't born with skills...skills are aquired as a result of working on some sort of ability that they have. Free Dictionary says this about both: Quote: tal·ent (tlnt)
n. 1. A marked innate ability, as for artistic accomplishment. See Synonyms at ability. 2. a. Natural endowment or ability of a superior quality. skill (skl) n. 1. Proficiency, facility, or dexterity that is acquired or developed through training or experience. See Synonyms at ability. 2. a. An art, trade, or technique, particularly one requiring use of the hands or body. b. A developed talent or ability: writing skills. So to me, that says that one is just something that occurs naturally and a skill is a way to perfect the talent. Even virtuosos and prodigies try to gain more skill in the talents that they possess in art and music. _________________ Etsy ~ My Handmade Jewelries!!! Commentary on creepy online men who use fake photos of girly Fabiosos to get the ladies: "The longer my hair gets, the more sexy I have" - Jamie M. |
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Joined: 10 Jan 2005 | Posts: 3967 | Location: In between here and there.
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