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 Post subject: Hit SinglePosted: Mon May 31, 2004 4:11 am 
Lost at Sea is the only song I've heard that could play on the radio and appeal to a large number of people. It' is the song. The label better recognize. haha. I mean, you could do Telescope Eyes, but it abondons alot of people. Everything else is too creepy, or unicorn barbie...(i'm sorry-imaginative), or intelligent. All those things abandon potential fans. Lost at Sea is sweet and simple and speaks vaguely of common emotions and ideas, and it will hook people, that's all I'm sayin. Once they're hooked, they'll want more, like crack...or sugar. Lost at Sea. Lost at Sea. Lost at Sea. say it with me. Lost at Sea. _________________ http://xanga.com/adamaustin66 |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 5:06 am
Eisley songs will appeal to the correct radio audience. If the people who just flipped from the latest Brittney Spears to Eisley don't like the song, well who cares. Eisley music will make Eisley fans out of the proper material if given a chance. _________________ Audioscrobbler Now 
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 5:46 am
rebelbird.... Thanks. And, you should consider getting into the record industry. WB is hanging big hopes on that song; but it's not produced for radio at this point. It's harsh, slow, heavy, filled with noise...especially on the chorus. The song is, however, meant to be slow, dreary, emotive... and the problem is, WB wants it to be more driving...especially in the chorus; with powerful drums...and a new tempo to give it that radio zing. But I say, this song isn't about "the beat". Meter, yes. It has a cadence... but not some big, ghetto, back-beat. Conceptually...and even literally, it's about being lost. The context is the ocean...the sea... that's an abyss; That's the deep. That's absolutely the kind of elment you get lost in. Though the song has a cathartic ending... a resolve to being "lost", it has it's defining moments in the undefining deep. In short, waves are organic...uncalculated dynamic form, not static; the theme of being lost reinforces and valdates this context. Love: "i will always love you"... nothing about this song begs for mathematical constraint..i.e.:big drums, which is a system of measurement...an infelixible, linear mapping. Love is also fluid. Originally, the song wasn't meant to have drums at all... (see ref. low rez, first historical recording of the song on a cassette taping machine: http://www.straylight6.org/vids/LostatSea2.mov ) Now they've added a beat, which is sorta ok. But the loop track we've heard from WB is way over the top. It's all energetic and stuff. Not sure what to do. I agree with you...it has radio potential. But who can bring that potential to the marketplace. Rob's version is ok, but it's not radio and I still like the original lil' video version better. That would NEVER make it to radio. You never know. The right kind of loop or beat, even if stronger could work for the song... but it's yet to be seen or understood. This song is caught in the lurch. And the snare might be radio. I wish the world were different. (speaking of radio) Why so many stupid parameters? Why so many constraining, creative applications? Why can't radio people toss out the old laws? My brain just doesn't work like that I resent the fact that it could be true that radio-americans can't understand anything broader and more creative than they do. That just plain sucks and bites beyond imagination. This is why I don't listen to radio. Why are we trying to fold a living bird into some kind of Oragami? _________________ EisleyWebGuy "The industrialists never saw the fruit of their own labor - Post Moderism, which I now proclaim as dead. Their forefathers digital revolutionists, have accelerated the final resolve by punctuating an end to our chaotic journey with a new manifesto and a new era: The Age of Meaning." (manifesto's sold separate) Welcome: Illuminists |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 6:16 am
i heard memories on the radio the other day. granted it was ktcu...but i felt like saying something _________________ www.myspace.com/neilcorbett |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 6:49 am
i listen to eisley but never to the radio, go figure, i think eisley's music appeals to people that hate radio and all its crappiness, so why care so damn much. word of mouth is the best way to find good music, not mtv or the radio... _________________ http://www.nicholasvenaglia.com |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 7:16 am
If they want Eisley on the radio then do it and let them redefine radio. Don't redefine Eisley so they fit everything else on radio. <30 lines of rant omitted> _________________ "Religions have started on lesser revelations" - investor on MarketWatch.com |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 7:17 am
chasd00 wrote: If they want Eisley on the radio then do it and let them redefine radio. Don't redefine Eisley so they fit everything else on radio.
<30 lines of rant omitted> That pretty much sums it up. 
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 7:25 am
what's ktcu? a college station? |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 7:54 am
lost at sea is threatened to be changed into an upbeat pop song?! see this is the sh*t i'm talking about, the record label is going to corrupt the songs! 
lost at sea, as beautiful as it is, can't be made into a radio song. it's meant to be a song like "bulletproof (i wish i was)" or "sail to the moon". it's not meant to be a song like umm... "yellow" for example. at least that's what strikes me as obvious. my vote for the single is undoubtedly sunfeet!! not only is it the eisley song i listen to the most, but it is the most catchy as well. just like it is. screw the label moguls who think that a radio friendly song has to have dumbed down phrases that are straightfoward enough for a retard to understand ("oh, i love you, but you left me. but baby i want you back. yak") sunfeet is tha bomb!!!! _________________ "You're my favorite person." - David Carradine, Kill Bill vol. 2 |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 8:29 am
OK...I see all the problems, but true creativity springs from staying within certain limitations. It's not a formula. I won't say my specific ideas on how to work out the kinks because it's not my JOB, but I will agree with boyd when he says it needs to be cleaner.. more clean.. whatever. I haven't heard what he has heard, but I heard it live and the demo. I know its there and I don't think it needs that much adjusting. Maybe a soft drum beat, or a different drum altogether. maybe a bridge here and there, or some short breaks. Hold the guitars off for the first verse or during the chorus or something...I don't know. Guys like me, ali, rob, jamie, and alot of the others on this board, prolly chad and paul and ben and james and kelly, would like this band if they heard any song by Eisley. We're not abnormal really, but a lot of people might not give Eisley a second look if they don't like the first song they hear. say what you want about radio, but it's word of mouth on steroids, times 10. it' s cool if the attitude is " we don't care if people who like avril don't like Eisley." Of course, but it's not honest of me to say my feelings wouldn't be hurt if at least 150,000 other people didn't agree fanantically to buy Eisley's record. And if I was a record executive, I'd probably be looking for a new job. _________________ http://xanga.com/adamaustin66 |
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Post subject: what ever happened to... Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 9:54 am
what happened to marvelous things (the song/single, not EP)? WB should re-release the track and push it HARD. they're dumb to let it go. |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 11:31 am
i hope you guys don't ever stop posting your brainwaves. It's the best sounding-board I could ever ask for. Getting to talk to fans who really "get" the music and understand the market. It's priceless. I read every word... sometimes twice, and quote you. And don't worry, the band is stubborn and aren't going to accept any resolve unless they totally love it. You'll have to trust me on that one. _________________ EisleyWebGuy "The industrialists never saw the fruit of their own labor - Post Moderism, which I now proclaim as dead. Their forefathers digital revolutionists, have accelerated the final resolve by punctuating an end to our chaotic journey with a new manifesto and a new era: The Age of Meaning." (manifesto's sold separate) Welcome: Illuminists |
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Post subject: Re: Hit Single Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 1:48 pm
rebelbirdY2K wrote: Everything else is too creepy, or unicorn barbie...(i'm sorry-imaginative), or intelligent. HEY! are you calling us radio-listeners stupid?! (glares indignantly, arms crossed over Britney Spears shirt) hmph! (turns away, puts on Hilary Duff CD) You are so yesterday. And I'm just a biiihiiiird.... bla bla flown awaaay... oh yeah! eismeh. them's gud eet'n'. _________________ If the end of the world has proper noodles I'll probably be okay with it. |
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Post subject: Re: Hit Single Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 1:57 pm
rebelbirdY2K wrote: Everything else is too creepy Not at all to put you down, or to put the band down, but this line sort of struck me after re-reading your post, because it amuses me to think how the average radio listener would react upon hearing something like Kid A, or some of Tom Waits' work, or something equally-strange, if they think that any of Eisley's material is at all "creepy." I personally find them to be as far from creepy as just about anything... 
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 2:05 pm
As much as I hate hearing about WB's push for a radio song, I can't deny that it would help draw in more people. Plenty of band out there will put a song on their album that sounds like nothing else they have written (Goo Goo Dolls come to mind as an example). It isn't beyond Eisley to write something with a faster tempo that might appeal to a larger crowd, and they don't really have to compromise their "convictions" about what their music should sound like to do it. Telescope Eye's ended up being a pretty good radio song, and Marvelous Things did pretty well to bring in more fans too. A few suggestions my dad made, write a song titled something like "This Is Our Radio Song" and make it exactly as the label wants it, or just cover someone elses hit song. (he used Britney Spears - Oops I Did It Again as an example) _________________ 
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