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 Post subject: The new EPPosted: Wed May 21, 2003 10:21 am 
I've been listening to Eisley since the Coldplay show in Grand Prairie and I've been to most of the shows since. I bought the new EP today and I must say that I'm really disappointed in the new versions of the songs. First, I can't stand the fade out at the end of Telescope Eyes. It sounds like they just couldn't figure out how to end it and so they just faded it. Second, during Tree Tops, the drum at the beginning of the song is really annoying and then what do they do to the voices during that song. All of the songs are completely different, where are the heavy guitars and bass lines. The whole ep sounds really over produced with the twinkly, starry noices in the background., the mics that make their voices sound different and the fade out in Telescope Eyes and there is just way too much keyboard sounds. I thought that the band wanted to be indie and since they have Mike Mogus from the Saddle Creek bands fame they wouldn't go in the direction of the typical pop band. But I'm disappointed when I heard this EP b/c I can see it now, their faces on all the teeny bopp magazines. I don't want to insult everyone here, just wanted to give my feelings on the new EP. Is anyone disappointed, or is it just me? |
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Post subject: Re: The new EP Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 10:26 am
Anonymous wrote: I can see it now, their faces on all the teeny bopp magazines. so, just because you don't like the way this ep sounds compared to the ones before, theyre turning into teeny bopp magazine pop stars? how ridiculous i love the new ep like christmas |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 10:46 am
its guest vr. guest! I have to admit that the new versions of the songs took a little bit to get used to, but It isn't overproduced. I know they added strings to laughing city, but I think that it sounds really good like that. Give it a chance, just because telescope eyes has a fade out ending doesn't mean that everything they've said about what they wanted to be was lie... I emplore you to listen to it another time, and you might find that its really quite awsome. _________________ are you a member of the slaves to their members? |
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Joined: 05 Nov 2002 | Posts: 661 | Location: burlville
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 11:06 am
To the first Guest "too chicken to sign their name, rake it over the coals critique of the new EP".... I first have to say that you are certainly entitled to your thoughts and opinion about this EP. Don't fear signing your name. The band will not hate you. They don't expect everyone to love their music. Secondly, I do find it strange that people have the kind of time to go on a band's website and post about how much they hate their project. I know I certainly do not have the time to go onto Creed's website and post such things, but since you have so eloquently toasted this project, I can tell you some things that happen in the process. Here are my thoughts and knowledge. Sometimes when bands go into record, they don't have a lot of say over the final cut. It ends up being all the producer's call. The band is long gone, while the producer is adding, deleting, and altering things. Time is money, and most bands do not have the luxary to get things exactly the way they want them. Sometimes too, they've listened to something over, and over, and over, and lose objectivity. Most of the time, you are hearing only pieces, and parts at a time and it's really hard to tell how it's going to end up. If they get to hear something before the final mastering, there may not be alot they can do at that point when the studio is in Illinois, or LA, and the band is in Texas. There was things about the Mike Mogus tracts that ended up disappointing when it was all said and done, and certainly the same with John Goodmanson, but overall, the band is proud of this project for what it is....an EP. Until you become Radiohead, you don't usually have the complete freedom over your projects. That's just the way it is. As far as the teeny bob thing. You are very likely to see them on magazines. They will be in the August issue of Seventeen along with Evanesence (sp?) The hope there? More people will come to know their music, and in the mean time, they can be an anti Britney example for girls out there that thrive on those magazines. As for the drum thing.....we love it, and so do most people that have heard it. It's ok that you hated this project. Hopefully most people won't. |
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Joined: 11 Nov 2002 | Posts: 3695 | Location: Tyler, TX
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 11:09 am
I have to agree that Telescope Eyes wasn't right. The original recording was better. I don't think Goodmanson gets the band, his recordings seemed to take all personality out of it. I Wasn't Prepared is the exception because it was left alone. But Mike's songs were done really well. Let's just say that this ep is ágætis byrjun (and I don't mean the album). _________________ The day it single with half is done. Today I questioned all never. I have two way to choose: To be forever to crush and miss of with relief compensating single close to the failure memory, or cynicism. No the exit. I do not want either or one. Do fact any life does it come here, or it is only myself? A choice between torturing or the very grotesque escape. -Josey Price comrade |
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Joined: 05 Nov 2002 | Posts: 384 | Location: Dallas, TX
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 11:13 am
I can see someone dosent like the natural resonance of a drum. let me guess your not a drummer and the drummers you know put a pillow in the bass drum and tape all over the toms, that ruins the sound a drum is suppost to have a resonating tone to it thats why most people put *resonate* heads on their drums. Oh well I love the way it sounds and if you think theres not enough bass get some subs and turn it up so everyone can hear. |
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Joined: 05 Nov 2002 | Posts: 1479 | Location: Dallas, Texas
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 11:24 am
i think he's just talking about the drums on Treetops. it's a really different sound, but if that's how the band invisioned it, then more power to them. did the band decided to cut the jazzy section to Telescope Eyes? that song really got edited up, i.e., shortening verses, instrumental passages, etc. i just wondered if that was more Goodmanson than anything else. my favorite part of the cd is the "don't talk" part in Laughing City......that's really sweet........it seems Mogis didn't rearrange verses. kudos to Boyd on the packaging......it's great, pics are great too. unfortunately i can't get the Windows Media clips to play for me. _________________ I am Torgo. I take care of the place while the Master is away. |
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Joined: 05 Nov 2002 | Posts: 6830 | Location: Gilmer, Tejas
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 11:49 am
OK, just call me the "chicken"! Don't get me wrong I am a fan of the music, it's just that I was extremly shocked when I heard the new versions of the songs. It didn't sound like the way I remember them from EP2 or from the numorous times I've heard them at the shows. This isn't the first time that I've come on here. Since I do enjoy the music and attend all of the local shows and visit the site daily since I first heard them, I felt that I could post my opinion of the new EP and see if anyone else agreed about the way the new songs sounded. I really appreciate the bit of the insight in how the songs are recorded. I will listen to them differently now knowing that someone else had more input on the way that they sound. It's really too bad that the band didn't have the final say so. As far as the teeny bopp comment, I'm sure that the band wants nothing but success, as do the fans. But as a fan it worries me that the music is going in a different direction than what we are used to. One more comment on the music, it's not that I don't understand the way drums are supposed to sound or that I have large speakers and want to bass out in my car, that's not what this music is about. It's that there are so many things going on in the songs, different sounds on the vocals, little noices in the background, different drum beats, it's really taken away from how simple the songs were before. Thanks for reading my opinion. Again not trying to upset anyone, just my opinion...still a fan. chicken |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 12:07 pm
Dear Chicken, your comments about too much going on is some of what bothered the band with the Mogus recordings. Cool stuff, but covered what the band really sounds like. As far as the lines being cut from Telescope Eyes, I am pretty sure that that was a producer call. I was kinda upset when they got back from LA with the scratch tracks and that song was so different. Let's just all hope and pray that someday Stacy will get her wish and get to work with Nigel Godrich. Stacy was the most upset about changes that were happening. She's a bright one that girl is 
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Joined: 11 Nov 2002 | Posts: 3695 | Location: Tyler, TX
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Post subject: My two cents... Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 1:14 pm
I am enjoying the ep very much. Yes, there are some differences between it and ep2, but the new versions are growing on me. I like the bass drum on Tree Tops. It remindes me of a basketball being bounced in an empty gym, or the big bass drum of a marching band. Tele Eyes new intro was nice. I miss the jazzy drum mid section, and I'm not a fan of the fade at the end, but it's ok. I Wasn't Prepared and Laughing City floor me every time. Works of art. Strings a nice touch in LC. Over The Mountains rocks. Love the rising, then falling mix of Stacy's & Sherri's voices in that song, always have. Gives me goosebumps everytime I hear it. So total control of production wasn't there. Still a great disc! P.  _________________ "Enjoy Every Sandwich" - Warren Zevon "What's Life Without Music?" - The Mermaid Purse www.myspace.com/ptah |
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Joined: 23 Dec 2002 | Posts: 463 | Location: Dallas
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 1:53 pm
the album feels produced, certainly more produced than any album i'm currently listening to (except maybe bryter layter by nick drake... wow). i have to say that eisley is just about the only band i listen to in this genre, or even in this broad scope. but it's what i expected when i heard they got picked up by warner. of course the songs aren't going to sound : a) like they do live (a no brainer) or b) when midlake was producing it. these "higher standards" that record companies set (as well as some producers) are to be expected and embraced, as far as i'm concerned. i'm glad i have an EP that i can listen to and get a different take on the songs than when i hear them live. i wish for little things on the album, certainly a lot with telescope eyes... i feel John - as good as it is - tried to alter the concept of the band. i doubt the band had much control over hte process at all, aside putting down tracks and handing them over. trusting for the best. this is what they came out with, and if you don't like it, c'est la vie. it happens when you go from an indie release to warners/reprise. if anyone expected different you were just asking for a disappointment in my opinion. i love the new album. i've heard it probably 10 times over already. i wish it was more eisley and less john and mike, but there is always the full length to look forward to. i'm standing by my guys. i know they worked their little butts off for it, and i'm really really REALLY proud of them. _________________ rest in my arms sleep in my bed theres a design to what i did and said piccysssssss |
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Joined: 20 Dec 2002 | Posts: 1153 | Location: art hell
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 2:09 pm
wow, my absolute favorite song is "i wasn't prepared" its so nice sounding. gosh sherri has such a unique voice. erm, the only part i remotely dislike about the cd is on tree tops when stacy does the ahh ahh ahh ahh part and her voice is kinda distorted, man i wish they would have left that clean, in concert she sounds so good on that part! other than that, nothing, I like the basketball drum(lol) and as far as the fade on telescope eyes- it doesn't matter, sherri could just rip a big fart in the mic at the end and i would be happy L, john (my computer won't let me sign in, oh well, i'm just happy it keeps typing) |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 2:17 pm
Well put, letdowntourist. I am very pleased with how the new EP sounds - as a former studio rat I tend to like what you can bring to a studio recording that you can't do live. I think the five songs still have that raw edge to them, yet they are fuller (the keyboard ambience that the first poster complained about really helps round out the sound, in my opinion). If anything, I'd like to hear even more production - not slick like Matchbox 20, for example, but just more full - a good example of what I mean is Sunny Day Real Estate's "The Rising Tide". Great production on that album IMHO. Like Stacy I'm a Nigel Godrich freak - lately I've been listening quite a bit to Beck's "Sea Change", and I'm amazed at what Godrich was able to do with those songs (they retain their intimacy, yet have this epic quality, especially "Lonesome Tears"). I think Eisley was able to get the same kind of sound, especially on I Wasn't Prepared and Telescope Eyes. _________________ "To whom much is given, much is required." |
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Joined: 31 Jan 2003 | Posts: 10 | Location: East of Deep Ellum
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 2:27 pm
i dont know what you people are talking about. i love the ep! the only thing i would change is the fade out on telescope eyes. i like it like that but if i had to change something i would change that. have a good day! mon _________________ i love me |
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Joined: 11 Apr 2003 | Posts: 113 | Location: mesquite
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 2:32 pm
Beck's newest album is brilliant but you should not compare it to a band who has only put out an EP. There are not even comparable. |
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