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 Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:53 am 
I went to Denmark in April, there was no drinking age, but you had to be 16 to buy it. I really liked that rule, because everyone there casually drinks, so it's not like... a huge thing. _________________ my name's carrie and i love a good sandwich so if you have a sandwich, come roll with me! 
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:09 am
hisownshot wrote: I went to Denmark in April, there was no drinking age, but you had to be 16 to buy it. I really liked that rule, because everyone there casually drinks, so it's not like... a huge thing. you know what, i had forgotten about that. there are a lot of similar laws in different european countries.. those sorts of laws seem to work quite well because, since if you're underage you can't buy drinks for yourself, most of the kids who do drink are with parents or some other responsible person so there are less problems. maybe that's the answer.. still a limit but a more relaxed one? i don't know. _________________ "dial" in Welsh means "revenge". If a welsh speaker enters an English phone booth, having paid the coin/phone card the next command the l.e.d screen throws at the customer is "revenge!" thus setting the tone for a confrontational conversation. (thank you mogwai you are all nuts.) |
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:49 pm
i'm 20 and voted unfair just because when you are 18 you are an adult and i think that's the age we should go with. Alcohol is treated as a taboo in america and that's why there's so many problems with overly using it and stuff. It's easy enough to get someone to buy it for you but it really sucks when half your friends go to a bar or something and you cannot go. I think I might change my mind to think it's fair when I turn 21 though.. haha |
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Post subject: ! Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:38 pm
I hate it when people think taking a rule away will make people stop breaking it. How about we use my evil plan: wait till everyone goes to one of those parties, and when they're all wasted, call the police. Ha ha! School the next day's always fun. And we need special police on campuses who just beat the hell out of drunk people all day, and save their nightsticks and tasers for the druggies. |
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Post subject: Re: ! Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:53 pm
presidentofantarctica wrote: I hate it when people think taking a rule away will make people stop breaking it. How about we use my evil plan: wait till everyone goes to one of those parties, and when they're all wasted, call the police. Ha ha! School the next day's always fun. And we need special police on campuses who just beat the hell out of drunk people all day, and save their nightsticks and tasers for the druggies. javol! |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:15 pm
hisownshot wrote: I went to Denmark in April, there was no drinking age, but you had to be 16 to buy it. I really liked that rule, because everyone there casually drinks, so it's not like... a huge thing. Isn't the education system better and the standard of living higher in Denmark than here in the US? And, if the standard of living isn't higher, I doubt they have the sort of poverty that we have in the US. Speaking from an anthropological standpoint, it is unreasonable to expect for two peoples with such different cultures to behave similarly under the same circumstances. I know that at a glance the two cultures do not seem to be so different, but even subtle ones can make all the difference. Also, I believe the fact that we have laws that restrict the drinking age is an indication that our culture couldn't handle not having those restrictions. There is more here than meets the eye. JD _________________ "Well, hopefully that's our job, to strap rockets onto everything." - Adam Savage, Mythbusters |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:38 pm
jdstories wrote: hisownshot wrote: I went to Denmark in April, there was no drinking age, but you had to be 16 to buy it. I really liked that rule, because everyone there casually drinks, so it's not like... a huge thing. Isn't the education system better and the standard of living higher in Denmark than here in the US? And, if the standard of living isn't higher, I doubt they have the sort of poverty that we have in the US. Speaking from an anthropological standpoint, it is unreasonable to expect for two peoples with such different cultures to behave similarly under the same circumstances. I know that at a glance the two cultures do not seem to be so different, but even subtle ones can make all the difference. Also, I believe the fact that we have laws that restrict the drinking age is an indication that our culture couldn't handle not having those restrictions. There is more here than meets the eye. JD At first I didn't think I was going to agree with you, but I sure did. A lot of people cite lax countries like Denmark and say "it's legal there, and they're all fine," but there could be a million other reasons why it turned out that way. We're just two different countries. And who knows, within a few years, a country like Denmark my crumple under the weight of its own excesses, especially now that Snoop Dogg found out about it.  _________________ Scriptozoology, a screenwriting blog .. Facebook |
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Post subject: My opinion Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:42 pm
I personally think the drinking age should be lowered. It's disheartening to know that our guys can join the military at 18 and die for their country, but they can't have a drink. Maybe, I'm crazy...oh wait, I am. _________________ Well-behaved women rarely make history. ~Laurel Thatcher Ulrich |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:49 am
boone wrote: jdstories wrote: hisownshot wrote: I went to Denmark in April, there was no drinking age, but you had to be 16 to buy it. I really liked that rule, because everyone there casually drinks, so it's not like... a huge thing. Isn't the education system better and the standard of living higher in Denmark than here in the US? And, if the standard of living isn't higher, I doubt they have the sort of poverty that we have in the US. Speaking from an anthropological standpoint, it is unreasonable to expect for two peoples with such different cultures to behave similarly under the same circumstances. I know that at a glance the two cultures do not seem to be so different, but even subtle ones can make all the difference. Also, I believe the fact that we have laws that restrict the drinking age is an indication that our culture couldn't handle not having those restrictions. There is more here than meets the eye. JD At first I didn't think I was going to agree with you, but I sure did. A lot of people cite lax countries like Denmark and say "it's legal there, and they're all fine," but there could be a million other reasons why it turned out that way. We're just two different countries. And who knows, within a few years, a country like Denmark my crumple under the weight of its own excesses, especially now that Snoop Dogg found out about it. I love Danish people. Anyhow, I can see your point... but then again how would we ever know if the no drinking age would work here if we've never tried? I'm not saying it's a good idea to change it, because right now... I think it would be a horrible idea to take away the drinking age. I think a lot of bad things would come out of that. But I was thinking about this the other day, though... if we're going to have a drinking age restriction, it should have always been against everyone, or noone. Because as I said before, laws are to protest the health, rights and safety of people. Technically, if you break a law, it should be because you infringed on someone elses rights (including health or safety). So basically, if a teenager is drinking... they aren't driving or infringing my rights, I couldn't care less... and I don't see why the law should, either. And this is coming from the point of view of a 16 year old who doesn't drink, by the way. _________________ my name's carrie and i love a good sandwich so if you have a sandwich, come roll with me!
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:41 am
hisownshot wrote: I went to Denmark in April, there was no drinking age, but you had to be 16 to buy it. I really liked that rule, because everyone there casually drinks, so it's not like... a huge thing. same in italy. and switzerland. and, i could go on. i think it's great. family's will introduce their children to wine at an early age (with water). So by the time that they get that age of exploration, they (most) won't do it rebelliously, like American children. but, I must say -- due to american culture, and our attitudes, I think the drinking age is very fair. Even though 10% abide by it. _________________ www.myspace.com/benjones www.xanga.com/benjones70 |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:47 am
giant_ wrote: jesus drank. but yeah I voted under 21 and unfair though I dont really know why. I'm 20 and can get alcohol basicly whenever, just a phone call away. It would be cool if it was 18 just so I could pick up my own booze now but in december I will be 21 so its coming soon. Yeah I guess it is fine as it is, I dont know. Drinking can be very enjoyable, you just have to have a little thing called control and if your going to drink of course don't drive. Mmm. I didn't read the other pages, so I don't know if anyone has quoted this yet. Anyway, I just want to say, That of course, if Jesus drank, it was in moderation, like, a glass of wine with a meal or something (not saying that you weren't saying he didn't). Getting drunk is the issue. So just in case any of you cool kids thought "Oh wow, hey Jesus is so Crunk!! Let's get wasted! Praise God!" No. Just. No. _________________ Gosh, writings music Ryan5 wrote: I still love Eisley a gamahucheing million time better than farting |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:06 am
hisownshot wrote: Because as I said before, laws are to protest the health, rights and safety of people. Hilarious. fakeplastic wrote: i think it's great. family's will introduce their children to wine at an early age (with water). So by the time that they get that age of exploration, they (most) won't do it rebelliously, like American children. but, I must say -- due to american culture, and our attitudes, I think the drinking age is very fair. Even though 10% abide by it. You're quite right. America's intensely religious roots heavily influence the idea that we need to protect ourselves from the so-called evils of the world by sheltering ourselves from them completely. However, by maintaining this naivete about the world for so long, we are much more likely to go overboard when we discover that it may not necessarily cost us our soul. The5thavocado wrote: Getting drunk is the issue. I can't say I agree entirely. For me and you it may be the issue, but many people think alcohol is evil no matter how little you drink. It is actually quite silly. I can't imagine how many lives alcohol saved during the Dark Ages when, in some areas where the water was polluted, it was the only safe water to drink. It is like saying that science is evil just because of the atomic bomb. It ignores all the lives saved by modern medicine. JD _________________ "Well, hopefully that's our job, to strap rockets onto everything." - Adam Savage, Mythbusters |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:37 am
Whatever "religious person" that thinks that alcohol is bad in its entirety doesn't know their Bible. "Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts." Proverbs 31:6 Of course, it's talking about alcohol as a pain reliever. Ancient morphine... _________________ Scriptozoology, a screenwriting blog .. Facebook |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:01 pm
ali wrote: boone wrote: As is now, it's not controlled enough. But if you have to wait until you're 25 to rent a car, you should wait until you're at least 21 to have a drink. I think it's controlled too much. The more you tell a young person "you can't do that," the more allure that thing has. Why is it up to the government to decide what adults can and can't do (I'm assuming here that 18 is the legal definition of an adult)? If you take Europe as an example, where alcohol laws are very lax, you don't have a lot of kids going out on their 21st birthday getting so drunk they vomit and black out, or take so many shots that they die. For one thing, drinking is not novel to them. For another, they've had enough experience drinking (likely around family) that they know their limits. And family is really where the influence should come from, not government. I mean, sure, laws should help keep alcohol and drugs out of the hands of children. But adults? No way. Renting a car really has nothing to do with it. That's more of an insurance/liability issue for car rental owners. My sentiments exactly. Rather than merely telling kids "You can't do this and that's that. No discussion.", tell them how to drink responsibly. Then you won't have 14 year olds mixing drinks in bathrooms and 18 year olds going to ICU for alcohol poisoning. Plus there's the whole arguement of "I can smoke, I can vote, I can serve in the military, and I can buy lotto tickets and pornography. So why the hell can't I drink?" |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:06 pm
MoreOfTheSame wrote: ali wrote: boone wrote: As is now, it's not controlled enough. But if you have to wait until you're 25 to rent a car, you should wait until you're at least 21 to have a drink. I think it's controlled too much. The more you tell a young person "you can't do that," the more allure that thing has. Why is it up to the government to decide what adults can and can't do (I'm assuming here that 18 is the legal definition of an adult)? If you take Europe as an example, where alcohol laws are very lax, you don't have a lot of kids going out on their 21st birthday getting so drunk they vomit and black out, or take so many shots that they die. For one thing, drinking is not novel to them. For another, they've had enough experience drinking (likely around family) that they know their limits. And family is really where the influence should come from, not government. I mean, sure, laws should help keep alcohol and drugs out of the hands of children. But adults? No way. Renting a car really has nothing to do with it. That's more of an insurance/liability issue for car rental owners. My sentiments exactly. Rather than merely telling kids "You can't do this and that's that. No discussion.", tell them how to drink responsibly. Then you won't have 14 year olds mixing drinks in bathrooms and 18 year olds going to ICU for alcohol poisoning. Plus there's the whole arguement of "I can smoke, I can vote, I can serve in the military, and I can buy lotto tickets and pornography. So why the hell can't I drink?" "And I can't ride with somebody with a driving permit or buy senior coffee at Burger King!" Well, also, if you don't want your kids to drink, you can also be a good example and share with them why you don't, or why they're not ready, or whyever. There are a lot of parents who just plain don't teach their kids enough; by example especially. You can't legislate somebody's desire to drink, that's why kids who want to drink will drink. But there is a point where a line was drawn and it was said, "children cannot drink." I don't think this was done necessarily as much for the kids as it was for retailers. It's kind of the first line of defense, don't make it easily obtained. Though I really don't buy the fact that if you make it legal, then it won't be as much of a problem. There is this argument with a lot of drugs, too. There are just as much of a problem of alcohol abuse with adults as with children, and some of them even waited until they were 21 to drink. _________________ Scriptozoology, a screenwriting blog .. Facebook |
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