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 Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:28 am 
rainier_wolfcastle wrote: "Invasion" is a nice song. It is an okay Eisley song. "Go Away" is a better Eisley song. "Taking Control" transcends Eisley songs. The lyrics, the hook, and the rhythm are so good, that its baffling why WB (or anyone else) would have picked any other song, or even listened to any other one. I've heard the album seven or eight times now, and if there is a song to arrive, it's that one. The right combination of music and attitude, something that Nirvana or The Clash would have been proud to call its own. I'm not hyperbolizing -- it could be that good and important -- if folks weren't on the Invasion sci-fi train. It's not a question of which train one is on. The band with the label make these decisions. They do what they feel is in their best interest. You didn't even mention my favorite song from the album. Ask 20 people, and get 8 different answers as to what song would be the best single. Invasion is very good. The whole album is good, start to finish. I remember how good Invasion was the first time I heard it, a live version months ago on youtube. And hopefully the Conan show will bring that first Eisley experience to a couple million people, and many will end up buying the album or the Invasion single. |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:13 am
Im going to download the CD tonight then Paypal the band 10 bucks if possible to screw the middleman. That is easily 3 times more profit from a CD then they will ever see. _________________ (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") This is Bunny. Bunny is an egomaniacle, sadistic powermunger that wants to control the world... don't argue with him, just put him in your signature. |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:26 am
RockerChick wrote: cynlovescandy wrote: rainier_wolfcastle wrote: You say WB is making a big risk. This is completely, 100% false. Whatever advance the label made was money they had in their sofa cushions. There are a billion bands like Eisley that a label like WB has thrown deals at. The winners pay for the ones they have to toss aside. Really, it's a heartless enterprise. Actually, it is a risk. The money they use is "borrowed" from stockholders in most cases. Individual Employees and owners may be rich, but especially now, Record Labels are not. They are scraping to survive. There are a billion bands like Eisley? Where? Warner AND the band AND their support (family) have made a big risk. I'd imagine minimizing that is hurtful to them. This is really ignorant. You make it sound like WB is full of little orphans giving their last dimes to support the amazing Eisley, and they Eisley's going to make everyone live happily ever after. Trust me, if the corporation didn't have the money to throw around for Eisley, they wouldn't be doing it. If they don't get the sales they want they will THROW this band away and make sure they spend their whole lives recouping the cost of these two records and Eisley will ALWAYS have to consult WB if they want to do anything with these tracks because they wont own the masters and the whole thing will be a big mess. They make money off their "cash cows" and spend a little on new projects and the rest paying big time executives. This is from the article posted a few pages back: "What is so truly disturbing here is that it speaks volumes about the value system of an owner of a company that would pay its top-five Record Executives more than three times the amount of operating income for a ten-month period while dismissing 1,600 employees. What the article failed to mention was that in addition to the employee layoffs, Warner Music Group also dropped 93 of the 193 artists signed to Warner Labels in the US, approximately 47% of the artist roster during this same period." Just like that! Get rid of half the roster so we can pay all these generous executives millions of dollars while the bands starve. No Biggie.  Actually, it's not ignorant. little orphans? No. If you can't see that the production AND promotion of Eisley's Combinations as a risk to the company, I'm sorry. The way the company is run (executive salaries and whatnot) has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I agree, the way their value system works within the company is wrong, and unfortunately, common. |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:25 am
neverknowsbest wrote: Im going to download the CD tonight then Paypal the band 10 bucks if possible to screw the middleman.
That is easily 3 times more profit from a CD then they will ever see. While "well-intentioned", that does nothing good for them as far as their position on the label. Sure, the band gets more money immediately, but those who put the money forward for the abum you downloaded, do not. If this process continues, why would the label continue to keep them on the roster? _________________ "The revolution starts today, not tomorrow." :: got g-Love? |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:02 am
gRegor wrote: neverknowsbest wrote: Im going to download the CD tonight then Paypal the band 10 bucks if possible to screw the middleman.
That is easily 3 times more profit from a CD then they will ever see. While "well-intentioned", that does nothing good for them as far as their position on the label. Sure, the band gets more money immediately, but those who put the money forward for the abum you downloaded, do not. If this process continues, why would the label continue to keep them on the roster? If I like the album I will buy a legit copy with the DVD for my sister. That way the band gets money for my bootlegging and 50 cents from a legit copy and one more album sold. _________________ (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") This is Bunny. Bunny is an egomaniacle, sadistic powermunger that wants to control the world... don't argue with him, just put him in your signature. |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:57 am
my experience with downloading "illegally" is this: in the past month i think i have downloaded atleast 11 or so full albums off the interent. the reason i feel this is ok is because i would never, ever buy these albums. but since they were free i decided i would and see what they were like. it is like i would not buy a ps3 but if someone was to give me one, i wouldnt say no. back in the day i bought every single (and i mean every) pink floyd cd. when i still wanted more. i took to trading and downloading live shows of thiers off the interent. that is not really illegal since they are not made for sale anyway. anyways, thats my story _________________ Wil's excellent description of me. wilsmith wrote: You're the Anti-Censorship+Topless Twitpic Parodying+Youth Group Video Directing guy that's a champion for the 1st amendment, Videogames as Art, and unrepentant file sharing... Instagram - Facebook - Twitter - YouTube |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:28 am
back to invasion, first of all i know nothing about the music business , ( i was in it many many years ago) invasion is very catchy and it has all of the elements that helped the band get to this point, great hook, close harmonies , quirkey lyrics .stop cold ending , very much what someone who has listened to the band for a while is used to, so i think invasion is a good first listen for a lot of people and i hope it gets tons of airplay |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:55 am
gRegor wrote: If this process continues, why would the label continue to keep them on the roster? Whenever my fiance and I go out to eat breakfast, he buys a newspaper and after we eat, he leaves it at our table for the next person. By your logic, if that trend continued it's only a matter of time before all the newspapers go out of business because an unlimited number of people can read the paper that one person bought. That's ridiculous. Has a band ever been dropped because their album was pirated? WB can come up with better reasons to drop Eisley, most of which would probably be the label's own fault for not promoting them adequately. If they dropped the band because more people were pirating their music than buying the CD, they'd have to drop 99% of their roster along with Eisley. mr pine wrote: that is not really illegal since they are not made for sale anyway. Highly debatable, as people who attended the show had to pay money to get in. I love live recordings (if they're soundboard quality, anyway), but a lot of artists don't want them distributed because for many of them, a live show is meant to be just for them and the audience that's present at the time. _________________ INTELLECT AND ROMANCE OVER BRUTE FORCE AND CYNICISM Smokemonster |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:01 am
Saellys wrote: If they dropped the band because more people were pirating their music than buying the CD, they'd have to drop 99% of their roster along with Eisley.
99% of their roster are not borderline to breaking even / turning a profit. The bands who are not yet recouping their advances are the ones who are hurt the most. And you only get so many albums (whatever your deal was for when you signed up, I guess), to show you can turn a profit or you are not picked up for another album. |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:04 am
CUBSWINWORLDSERIES wrote: Saellys wrote: If they dropped the band because more people were pirating their music than buying the CD, they'd have to drop 99% of their roster along with Eisley.
99% of their roster are not borderline to breaking even / turning a profit. The bands who are not yet recouping their advances are the ones who are hurt the most. And you only get so many albums (whatever your deal was for when you signed up, I guess), to show you can turn a profit or you are not picked up for another album That's exactly my point. Eisley are most definitely among those bands, so dropping them for no other reason than the fact that their album was pirated would be totally ridiculous. _________________ INTELLECT AND ROMANCE OVER BRUTE FORCE AND CYNICISM Smokemonster |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:04 am
Saellys wrote: mr pine wrote: that is not really illegal since they are not made for sale anyway. Highly debatable, as people who attended the show had to pay money to get in. I love live recordings (if they're soundboard quality, anyway), but a lot of artists don't want them distributed because for many of them, a live show is meant to be just for them and the audience that's present at the time. you point is valid. except that i was born in 1979. so me getting recordings of pink floyd shows from the 1970's didnt keep money from the band. and certainly the "illegal" aspect of that process is in the recording of said live show. not in the distribution. i could be wrong in that. _________________ Wil's excellent description of me. wilsmith wrote: You're the Anti-Censorship+Topless Twitpic Parodying+Youth Group Video Directing guy that's a champion for the 1st amendment, Videogames as Art, and unrepentant file sharing... Instagram - Facebook - Twitter - YouTube |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:08 am
mr pine wrote: Saellys wrote: mr pine wrote: that is not really illegal since they are not made for sale anyway. Highly debatable, as people who attended the show had to pay money to get in. I love live recordings (if they're soundboard quality, anyway), but a lot of artists don't want them distributed because for many of them, a live show is meant to be just for them and the audience that's present at the time. you point is valid. except that i was born in 1979. so me getting recordings of pink floyd shows from the 1970's didnt keep money from the band. and certainly the "illegal" aspect of that process is in the recording of said live show. not in the distribution. i could be wrong in that. Haha, I didn't even think about the time issue.  Yeah, live bootlegs of bands that are no longer touring isn't that big of an issue monetarily speaking. For me, respecting an artist's desire to keep that show just between them and the audience is more important. I don't download a lot of shows, but when I do it's almost all stuff like Radiohead and Brandi Carlile, artists who don't mind when their live performances are distributed. Thom Yorke even gave a shout-out to YouTube at the San Diego show last year.
As for recording vs. distribution, I should think distributing an illegally-recorded show would be just as illegal, if in fact it is illegal at all. But I might be wrong. _________________ INTELLECT AND ROMANCE OVER BRUTE FORCE AND CYNICISM Smokemonster |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:14 am
Saellys wrote: CUBSWINWORLDSERIES wrote: Saellys wrote: If they dropped the band because more people were pirating their music than buying the CD, they'd have to drop 99% of their roster along with Eisley.
99% of their roster are not borderline to breaking even / turning a profit. The bands who are not yet recouping their advances are the ones who are hurt the most. And you only get so many albums (whatever your deal was for when you signed up, I guess), to show you can turn a profit or you are not picked up for another album That's exactly my point. Eisley are most definitely among those bands, so dropping them for no other reason than the fact that their album was pirated would be totally ridiculous. Maybe you missed my point. If Eisley missed break-even by 10,000 albums after the album cycle (a year or whatever it is), then they may not be renewed. If 20,000 illegal copies are out there, then the "pirated" albums may well cause them to be dropped (as people should be paying for the music on their ipods). |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:19 am
CUBSWINWORLDSERIES wrote: Saellys wrote: CUBSWINWORLDSERIES wrote: Saellys wrote: If they dropped the band because more people were pirating their music than buying the CD, they'd have to drop 99% of their roster along with Eisley.
99% of their roster are not borderline to breaking even / turning a profit. The bands who are not yet recouping their advances are the ones who are hurt the most. And you only get so many albums (whatever your deal was for when you signed up, I guess), to show you can turn a profit or you are not picked up for another album That's exactly my point. Eisley are most definitely among those bands, so dropping them for no other reason than the fact that their album was pirated would be totally ridiculous. Maybe you missed my point. If Eisley missed break-even by 10,000 albums after the album cycle (a year or whatever it is), then they may not be renewed. If 20,000 illegal copies are out there, then the "pirated" albums may well cause them to be dropped (as people should be paying for the music on their ipods). No, I know what you mean. I just think folks like neverknowsbest are a very small minority, and those 20,000 illegal copies are almost entirely in the hands of people who would never have bought Combinations to begin with and downloaded it out of curiosity, like mr pine does, because it was available for free. I'd bet good money on that, actually. So if Eisley gets dropped because they miss the break-even point, it would still be absurd to blame it on pirating. _________________ INTELLECT AND ROMANCE OVER BRUTE FORCE AND CYNICISM Smokemonster |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:38 am
If it wasn't easy to download free albums or copy free albums from friends, people would buy it. So it is a technology issue more than anything. Some people are morally opposed to stealing, even if it is from a giant corporation. But in the end, people like the DuPrees and Mr. Gibbs do also get hurt in the process. I don't buy it that people download things they wouldn't have bought in the first place. They may have a price point lower than the CD price when it first hits the street, maybe the bargain bin price, but they would pay for it if it were not so easy to steal it. If not, then why have a copy of it in the first place? To listen to it once or twice? If that is the case, they could have simply borrowed the CD from their friend. It is a moral issue and it is stealing, however you paint it. And I do not say this with my own hands clean. I have never illegally downloaded or copied anything digital. But back when I was a kid, I did make cassette copies of my friends albums and cassettes, and they made cassette copies of mine. Only thing is, none of us pretended like we didn't know what we were doing was wrong. Everyone was a little nervous about it and had a feeling in the back of their mind that they were going against their moral code. Today, nobody even seems to have qualms about it. And people are copying from people they never even met, not just their friends. And it is a 1 minute process to get an album, not a 1 hour process as back in my day. Not saying what I did when I was a kid wasn't wrong. It was. But you don't even need a friend today to get 100s of your favorite albums all for free, and it can be accomplished quite fast. So my 20 or so cassettes I had when I was a kid, copied from my friends (not random people on the internet) over the course of about 10 years (maybe 2 a year), pails in comparison to what is going on today. What I did was wrong. What people are doing today is wrong. Only difference is the degree of wrong being done, and the fact that today nobody seems to even think it is wrong. |
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