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 Post subject: sound compressionPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:49 am 
I remember when Boyd was describing how compression works back when they were in the studio finishing up "Combinations". I found this article. Interesting and sad...... If you've ever listened to the crappy, generic music that they play on "modern hard rock" radio stations these days, you know what this article is talking about... http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/17777619/the_death_of_high_fide lity/print _________________ "Hello, Mother Leopard. I have your cub." |
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Post subject: Re: sound compression Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:23 pm
StallionMang wrote: If you've ever listened to the crappy, generic music that they play on "modern hard rock" radio stations these days, you know what this article is talking about... Combinations is extremely compressed as well (almost all pop music is). Example: The drums/bass combo on "I could be there for you" is quite flaccid on the record. It's a trade off. If you don't extremely compress your music, you'll never have a chance having it played on the radio (the most lucrative measure of financial success in pop music.) _________________ EisleyForever wrote: you're A-list in my heart! MAKECOLDPLAYHISTORY |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:22 pm
I've read all of that stuff from different sources, except for the Jeff Buckley bit. That was very interesting. I have the remastered version of Grace and always thought it sounded better than the original, but that shows how closely I was listening.  _________________ INTELLECT AND ROMANCE OVER BRUTE FORCE AND CYNICISM Smokemonster |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:47 pm
Yeah, that's actually been a big annoyance to me as of late. I can do loud in-your-face songs, but that gets old fast and you do lose some of the emotional value. Just becomes background noise. And boring background noise. And that's sad. I can't even get iTunes music anymore without getting annoyed. The bad part is, that compression and loss of dynamics is being found on CDs itself too. DRMS_7888 wrote: Combinations is extremely compressed as well (almost all pop music is).
Example: The drums/bass combo on "I could be there for you" is quite flaccid on the record. I noticed that throughout the album with pretty much most of the bass and sometimes drums... Which stinks because I really like the "groove" part of Eisley (which is set by the drum and bass). However, the higher range sounds are pretty crisp on most parts. At least compared to alot of albums/groups on the same level. That being said, (in general) instead of being doomsday-ish about it, why don't those who can and care to, do something about it? I think if you search for typical music and not just typical radio hit groups, you can find some quality sounds out there. Fight the trend if you can! |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:50 pm
This is why I love listening to classical recordings, =) _________________ EisleyForever wrote: you're A-list in my heart! MAKECOLDPLAYHISTORY |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:31 pm
I'm really glad someone brought this up. I think about this issue quite often. I work at PacSun, and I hear a lot of overly compressed modern crap. It literally annoys me. It puts me on edge. I also read that RS article when it came out. It's no wonder I don't like most new mainstream music. It all gets quite grating and irritating. It's just too loud. There is such a huge difference between, say, a 90s recording and a current recording (well, like the RS article said--Nirvana). I also noticed during the first time I listened to Combinations that it was different from even Room Noises. It's just loud all the way through. I love Eisley and the music unconditionally, but I hate modern recording techniques. HATE THEM. |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:04 pm
Some interesting videos on the topic that I stole from another message board: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkkqsN69Jac&feature=related Cheesy, but they have a point. _________________ Blaahg Mahspace Audioscrobbler 
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:31 pm
I know this is a valid point, but it makes me want to die when dozens of wannabe audio geniuses bring this up. _________________ My photography:www.jamiemphoto.com You can't spell awesome without emo...backwards! -Julie definingawesome (11:44:11 PM): Eisley shivers our timbers |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:51 pm
TheAntrider wrote: I know this is a valid point, but it makes me want to die when dozens of wannabe audio geniuses bring this up. That sounds rather stand-off-ish,  _________________ EisleyForever wrote: you're A-list in my heart! MAKECOLDPLAYHISTORY |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:25 pm
there are people who sincerely like "that overly compressed modern crap". most people probably can't tell the diff if its overly or underl anyway. hey I'm sure there are people who think Eisley music is crap (perish the thought of course.) Point is what is crap???? who is smarter then who? who has a better understanding of music anymore than anyone of us. Who knows the secret of what is good.I now people that hate or love Pink Floyd. hate or Love Frank Sinatra. Hate or love Fallout boy! WHO IS RIGHT !?Compression or not.................. just a rabbit trail thought. "If it moves you, then boogie baby" Dean Martin. ( I like Deano) _________________ TRUCK STOP SHOWER GIFT CERTIFICATES FOR EISLEY!!!! COME ON! |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:47 am
DRMS_7888 wrote: TheAntrider wrote: I know this is a valid point, but it makes me want to die when dozens of wannabe audio geniuses bring this up. That sounds rather stand-off-ish, I would second that without the temper-diffusing smiley. What exactly are you trying to say, Jamie? We shouldn't even talk about it because we're all poseurs? _________________ INTELLECT AND ROMANCE OVER BRUTE FORCE AND CYNICISM Smokemonster |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:23 pm
This is why you buy vinyl. 1. Vinyl is considered a niche medium, and very few firms are dedicated to old fashioned disc mastering. These master masterers tend to be very exacting, and record companies tend not to boss them around because they're relatively esoteric and vinyl is not a huge moneymaking market; it tends to only sell to indie kids and audiophiles. 2. When Dynamic Range Compression is used in the context of a record, it is in the reverse. It is used to make an album quieter. Compressing a record makes the grooves smaller, which makes more music fit on a disc. Since record companies don't want the music quieter, and too much compression would result in a partially blank disc, this gives the masterer more opportunity to be lenient with compression. Digital recordings sound worse on vinyl? Not anymore. Learn how to get the best of music from the talking head of a media corporation who attempts to force feed you the worst of it. Good night. _________________ 
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